130406.1 The Recourse to Some Hidden Truth is Only A Desperate Strategy to Save Some “Sacred Books”

JohananAlandseer0314@yahoo.com

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( 4:28 PM)
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JAL-Part-5
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I am only intending to address your article because I feel that a lot of people is interested in this moment in Theological considerations.

I have not the minimal intention to insult or cause any hurting at all.

May be I am not good to write politically correct commentaries. It is quite hard to my to just reach a minimal level of clarity, and this is why I concentrate in just the presentation of the idea in the most clear way that I can reach.
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Summarizing, my opinion is:

* The recourse to some Hidden Truth is only a desperate strategy to save some “Sacred Books”.

* This recourse have been utilized by several religions, since the antiquity.

* The alternative is the full rejection to any Revealed Truth, as is done in Science.

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( 4:04 PM)
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I guess that jewish philosophers don’t rely only in the sacred jewish scriptures, but that they have some EVIDENCES.

Well, I can say that if you resort in part to evidences of the Natural world, then you should only resort to those kind of evidences, because you are admiting the need of Science.
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I don´t think that the spirit or soul exists, except in the sense of some natural internal process of the brain.

But based in some strange and numerous coincidences, I believe in the existance of telepathy, telekinesis and other strange properties of humans or, I believe, developed beings of all planets. I “believe” in the sense of that I speculate that they exist. They are not demonstrated, but before the physicists of the 18 century, very little was known about what we call “Electromagnetism”, but the phenomena described by it is quite real, we know NOW.

I think that those mind powers have not been demostrated because nobody has done experiments using large number of people. Let´s say, millions of people. Now days it is possible, thanks to the Internet.
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What is it your opinion about the article
“The Gods only exist in the Mind of Humanity” ?

I am not allowed to write the link, but if if you google the phrase, you woul find it.

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( 3:45 PM)
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* Well, we include Mathematics as a Science worth of study, and deeply needed to understand the Truth. Some of us believe that if God existed, He would be Mathematician. And a little bit Gambler.
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It is absurd to accept the possibility that God inmersed by some means a hidden message in some sacred book.

The most simple hypotesis is that the sacerdotal class and the people that had that book as sacred tryied to save that book, and that they invented such thing as “some hidden message”.

Searching for the most simple hypotesis has proven to be very valuable to Science.

It is very dangerous to accept the recurse of the hidden message: We could end being confronted to accept some belic and crazy book, as that written by a famous german dictator, or we could be challenged to accept any book written by some auto-proclaimed “prophet of God.”

If we accepted the recourse of the hidden truth, how could we chose between the current different religions ?

For all of these arguments, and more, we must look for the Truth only by the way of Science.

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( 3:30 PM)
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Given almost any large book, or collection of books, that is not too simple, you can have an infinite number of different interpretations of it (as large as natural numbers there are). Then, to give your anticipated trust to some of the possible interretations is absurd. It is possible to take an infinite number of years to reach the Right Interpretation. Or, alternatively, an infinite number of “mystics” or “prophets”.

Given the arguments against the acceptation of some book as “containing some hidden truth”, some thinkers developed a radically new startegy, which is now known as “Science”, and was known as “The Natural Phylosophy”.

In Science

* We reject any “Revealed Truth”. This include the Jewish or Christian Bible, any book written by Catholic “saints”, the Quran, etc.

* We claim that the Truth of the Universe, or any part of it, can only be achieved by the collective reasoning, experimentation and presentation of evidences. — Of course, this process is painful and slow, it includes polemics, and if we are lucky, will last forever, and the Truth of the Future will not be the Present Truth. And it is dangerous, too. Some scientist have been burned, some jailed, and others will be.—

* We think that if we have time and interest to seek the truth, it should be used studying the Hidden messages of the Natural World. In other words: We think that the ONLY “sacred book” is Nature itself.

* Well, we include Math…

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( 3:03 PM)
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What you describe is a reaction, or strategy, “to save” the ancient Jewish scriptures. in face of strong arguments or evidences against them.

Occurred more or less 2000 years ago. An identical strategy was undertaken by Hinduism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, etc., at different times, and can be taken to defend any book, however absurd it may be under an “literal interpretation of his words.”

And not only can you take this strategy to “save” a religion by saving their “sacred scriptures”, but it can be taken to save almost any ideology, demonstrated as false by experience and argumentation.

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